tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post2529143592896179110..comments2024-03-26T00:29:46.821-07:00Comments on Navarr Barnier: So I Came Up With This Really Great IdeaAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06358830143045709829noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-87549533643101862752011-08-07T02:13:00.000-07:002011-08-07T02:13:00.000-07:00its there and we call it wave protocol. so much fo...its there and we call it wave protocol. so much for ignorance.Aeroplanegnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-31155147846638250552011-08-07T02:15:00.000-07:002011-08-07T02:15:00.000-07:00Wave was a new system for discussions, and was lim...Wave was a new system for discussions, and was limited to that. Its extensible was<br /> only within the messages themselves and what they were used for. Wave and its protocol were more of a<br /> product.<br><br>One that could be implemented using the theoretical MSAP protocol. The MSAP<br /> protocol that I'd like to design is more focused on keeping things in Sync, and the wave of innovation I'm<br /> talking about refers mostly to clients and services that use that synchronized data.<br><br>Successful<br /> Troll is Successful?Navarr Barnierhttp://tech.gtaero.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-8898436593204887742011-08-07T04:00:00.000-07:002011-08-07T04:00:00.000-07:00Wait, so, basically you bring nothing. Pfff, learn...Wait, so, basically you bring nothing. Pfff, learn man - it doesn't work that way. You<br /> have to start by offering something, you can't just sit there /wanting/.Bucket of Cold Waternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-12452421324825663862011-08-07T06:48:00.000-07:002011-08-07T06:48:00.000-07:00Or you could look and see that email is on a rapid...Or you could look and see that email is on a rapid decline, replaced by communication<br /> on social sites, and realize that it's fruitless to try and revolutionize 40 year old technology.Researchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-32102039740419205492011-08-07T07:26:00.000-07:002011-08-07T07:26:00.000-07:00Wave is very extensible and what is a protocol if ...Wave is very extensible and what is a protocol if not the exchange of messages? ...<br /> build upon proven stuff and you will succeed. IMAP has lots of extensions and you can make your own ... or<br /> use existing technology. Your proposed features are all already implemented somewhere, no need to invent the<br /> wheel twice.<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-5336519977259710862011-08-07T09:24:00.000-07:002011-08-07T09:24:00.000-07:00Ah, so adding a RESTful interface and sprinkling w...Ah, so adding a RESTful interface and sprinkling webification pixie dust will solve all<br /> of the issues.<br><br>Good luck with that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-69967839606085120462011-08-07T10:00:00.000-07:002011-08-07T10:00:00.000-07:00I think a lot of people focus on protocols when th...I think a lot of people focus on protocols when they try to change the way how people<br /> use technology but it's about the user experience instead. If you want to make a change to how people<br /> exchange data and communicate, think about how that experience is broken and then decide on whether the<br /> protocol is wrong. Also, email (for which IMAP is a transfer protocol) is a lot older (70s). Tough to tell<br /> if you don't like IMAP or email though.Jeremy Hitchcockhttp://dyn.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-50835486274529903082011-08-07T11:10:00.000-07:002011-08-07T11:10:00.000-07:00An idea is nearly irrelevant. What matters is 1:Wh...An idea is nearly irrelevant. What matters is 1:Who are the clients? 2:Why will they<br /> buy this? 3:Who will work on it? 4:What are the risks?<br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-66022067307752732802011-08-07T11:40:00.000-07:002011-08-07T11:40:00.000-07:00Dropping a decentralised technology for an inferio...Dropping a decentralised technology for an inferior centralised one, because "that's<br /> what people are using nowadays," seems pretty fatalistic.clsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-20394016053411647862011-08-07T23:20:00.000-07:002011-08-07T23:20:00.000-07:00Wave is one of the most extensible systems ever ma...Wave is one of the most extensible systems ever made, it just never got much of an<br /> opportunity to get popular for its core features, so the extensibility never got much play. In fact, it made<br /> server development more complicated, slowing down third party development, which means it may have had an<br /> infinitesimal amount of responsibility in the death of Wave. Sometimes it's better to do one thing very well<br /> than all things adequately.Philip Horgernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-41511372475918582262011-08-23T21:16:00.000-07:002011-08-23T21:16:00.000-07:00The User Experience *is* important, but its also i...The User Experience *is* important, but its also important to have a sturdy foundation<br /> under it. This is what I aim to achieve.<br /> Navarr Barnierhttp://tech.gtaero.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4350479895872803738.post-25456590521749124952011-08-23T21:17:00.000-07:002011-08-23T21:17:00.000-07:00I discuss my ideas for critiques and advise. Simp...I discuss my ideas for critiques and advise. Simply saying "you can't just want" isn't<br /> enough to help an idea grow.<br><br>If I did this all by myself, how many use cases would be<br /> left out and might involve a massive change to the underlying protocol?<br><br>Stating a<br /> desire shows that there IS a desire. Stating that you want to do something about it and asking for help -<br /> why is that frowned upon?Navarr Barnierhttp://tech.gtaero.net/noreply@blogger.com